Thursday, July 25, 2013

Gun Geo Marker app tries to locate homes, businesses of gun owners

Gun Geo Marker
Gun Geo Marker
Original Article

We think this is an excellent idea! If a draconian online registry is okay for ex-sex offenders that puts them and their families lives in danger, then this is also okay, in our opinion. We should have an online registry for all ex-felons, if a registry is okay for ex-sex offenders.


By Jeremy A. Kaplan

A new Android app asks users to expose the home addresses of gun owners they deem “potentially unsafe” -- and share that information with the world.

The Gun Geo Marker app, released to Google’s Play app store on July 7, invites users to mark the homes and businesses of “suspected unsafe gun owners … to help others in the area learn about their geography of risk from gun accidents or violence." The app bills itself as merely a tool to collect information, but it was hit with a firestorm of negative reviews and comments from people worried that it could do more harm than good.

This is dangerous and invasive,” wrote Levi Russell in a review of the app. “Dangerous because it allows criminals to determine where they might steal firearms….you are an accomplice to any firearm theft that will occur due to the existence of this app.”

"Major violation of privacy,” wrote Danielle Sigman in another review, one of more than 700 one-star reviews of the app. “Could cause a lot of safety issues for non-gun owners.”

Brett Stalbaum, the developer of Gun Geo Marker and a lecturer with the Visual Arts department of the University of California, San Diego, said he had received threats over the app.

"The gun rights community has been busy making personal threats (we remain unconcerned), as well as spamming the Gun Geo Marker database with false markers," he exclusively told "Though these fake markers are not useful for identifying dangerous guns and owners, they are certainly representative of the highly paranoid reaction we have come to expect from any attempt to improve gun safety in the United States."

"This kind of reaction -- automatically lining up on the wrong side of reasonable measures to improve the safe use and ownership of guns -- aids and abets the crisis of child shooting deaths," he said.

In January, a similar outcry arose after a New York newspaper published the home addresses of area residents with permits to own guns. After threats were called into their offices and the home addresses of editors posted online, The Journal News took down the data.

Whether an app or online, publishing the addresses of gun owners is a risky proposition, experts warn.

This makes those who don't have guns an easier target for criminals. It’s a safety issue,” John Lott, gun expert and author of the book "More Guns, Less Crime," told

I’ve debated a lot of gun control advocates over the years, and I’ve never met someone who has been willing to put up a sign in front of their house indicating that their home is a gun-free zone,” he said.

Google tells they do not comment on individual apps, but said to refer to their Google Play developer program policies for apps that are not allowed.

The policy says Google Play does not allow content that contains violence or hate speech, bullying or illegal activities, among others. Gun Geo Marker is not available on the iPhone.

"As a gun owner myself, I want to see our rights preserved, and thwarting the will of 90 percent of the American people who want common sense, constitutional measures to improve gun safety is mathematically unwise," Stalbaum said.


Loneranger said...

Placing people on any kind of list and publishing their personal information for any reason is just wrong. There is a reason they call it personal. The fact that this information has gotten people killed should be a good enough reason not to do it. However some are willing to take the risk with someone elses life if there is a buck to be made. To publish who has a gun in their home or who is a ex sex offender may sound noble and in the purest form possibly create a safer world in some peoples minds. There are so many different people and mind sets in over three hundred million people we don't know who is going to use it for good or evil. When you place millions of gun owners at risk the same as you have sex offenders and their families you will have a percentage that get killed as a result of this. Is this really ok now that we know this can and does happen? The unintended consequences stop be unintended when they are proven to happen predictably. To intentionally place people in harms way is not only cruel it's negligent. Much like giving a loaded gun to a child and expect them to be responsible. Some will be as the odds that everyone one of them will not intentionally harm themselves or someone else with it are almost good enough to allow. But responsible people know better as you are going to have problems with the children that are not able to handle that kind of responsibility. Giving out information on people is much like a loaded gun in the hands of a child. You just never know what they are going to do with it. Will they use it responsibly and not harm someone else or will we have the few that use it to kill? Allowing information to be public is just wrong. As far as who has a gun this will tip off the ones that want to come in and rob you as they will know to bring their own gun just in case. One doesn't have to ponder for to long to see what might happen. But there is a reason we do not make personal information public but we still do and then justify the bad out come.

In previous post I have stated that precedence setting laws will come back and bite the American populous. We have freely given away our right to privacy when we allowed them to publish information on sex offenders. Even though it sounded like a good idea it opened the door and nullified our protection under the constitution. Yesterday Congress voted to allow NSA to collect information on everyone making a phone call and save it for future use against them. After all it is kind of public as it went over the phone lines or airways right? Kind a of a stretch but really if it's to make for a safer world then maybe we shouldn't care. Until it gets used in some evil way but by then it's to late. We have no protection anymore. We can not even trust the ones we send to Washington to look out for our rights. They will sell us out in a heartbeat and can as we as a people think we need to know. Well if this is the mind set of the people no mater how it came about the government see's no problem using the same rational. Same with collection and publicising any personal information be it guns or sex offenders. And who will take responsibility for the ones that get killed as a result of this? Have we been manipulated by congress to open this door. Toss the populous a noble reason to violate one groups protections setting prescience to move forward to violate everyones. Well this ship has sailed. Welcome to the new USASR.

the only way to stop this is to stand up for the rights and protection the constitution affords everyone. If you allow any infringement no matter what the reason you have given the green light to violate everyones. It's not rocket science when it comes to the letter of the law and the constitution.

Mark said...

“This is dangerous and invasive,” wrote Levi Russell in a review of the app. “Dangerous
because it allows criminals to determine where they might steal
firearms…you are an accomplice to any firearm theft that will occur due
to the existence of this app.” Really? what about sex offender registries? These laws encourage criminals to beat up, kill, harass, and more. . . . Guess ol' ,Levi is looking out for himself - wouldn't you say?