Monday, December 24, 2012

NY - How ironic! Gun owners have their names and addresses posted online and they scream about privacy?

Original Article

12/24/2012

New York’s “Journal News” ignited a fierce debate Sunday after publishing the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in two New York counties. They are actively working on acquiring data for a third county.

The article, titled “Map: Where are the gun permits in your neighborhood?,” reads:

The map indicates the addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties. Each dot represents an individual permit holder licensed to own a handgun — a pistol or revolver. The data does not include owners of long guns — rifles or shotguns — which can be purchased without a permit. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location owns a weapon, just that they are licensed to do so.

Data for all permit categories, unrestricted carry, premises, business, employment, target and hunting, is included, but permit information is not available on an individual basis.

To create the map, The Journal News submitted Freedom of Information requests for the names and addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester, Rockland and Putnam. By state law, the information is public record.

Putnam is still putting together its records and could not immediately provide any data. The map will be updated when that data is released. [Emphasis added]

Here is what the map for Rockland County looks like (note: the image below is a screen shot, so clicking on the dots will not reveal the personal information like in the original):


A map for Westchester county is also visible on the site.

Unlike with the above map, however, on the Journal News website, you can click on any one of the dots and get the full name and exact address of the permit holder.

AMI Global Security, which published an article condemning the “massive privacy breach” that is “meant to intimidate the lawful” and “abrogate the Bill of Rights,” collected a few of the first comments:

“If the homeowner is killed or injured, will LOHUD be charged as an accomplice to the crime?”

“It is as if they put out an ad to jewel thieves listing the names and addresses of where to find diamonds and cash.”

“This is CRAZY!! why in the world would you post every licensed gun owner information?? What do you hope to accomplish by doing this? This is the type of thing you do for sex offenders not law abiding gun owners. What next? should I hang a flag outside my house that says I own a gun?”

“Now everyone knows where the LEGAL GUNS are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals. Why don’t you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the ILLEGAL GUNS are kept? That would be helpful to the non-criminal population”

AMI Global Security also added recent “threats from local government” with regard to guns.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said last week, as the nation still shook from the tragedy at Sandy Hook, that he was considering new gun control measures when it came to “assault” weapons in the state:

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”

This is not the first time the journal news has published the private information of gun holders. They pulled a similar stunt back in 2006, but that time, they only published names and municipalities– not exact street addresses.


7 comments :

Loneranger said...

“This is CRAZY!! why in the world would you post every licensed gun owner information?? What do you hope to accomplish by doing this? This is the type of thing you do for sex offenders not law abiding gun owners. What next? should I hang a flag outside my house that says I own a gun?”



You have got to be kidding me. What gives them the right to assume because a person is on the registry they are not law abiding people. Remember this is in their past it's not their present. So lets take this law abiding pistol toting upstanding perfect citizenry and see how law abiding they are. The only thing that keeps someone from legally owning a gun is that they do not have a felony conviction. In some state that doesn't even mater after a few years. Law abiding? Are we sure? We don't know who has a gun and what they intend to do with it some time in their entire life. So if you own a gun you surely must be law abiding and if you were ever convicted of something to land you on the registry you are not. Black and white thinking that has come back to bite them. I hope for the sake of the children every gun owner need to post a sign. Potential mass murderer lives here. I own a gun and am not afraid to use it. Now we are safe.

Loneranger said...

“If the homeowner is killed or injured, will LOHUD be charged as an accomplice to the crime?”

“It is as if they put out an ad to jewel thieves listing the names and addresses of where to find diamonds and cash.”

I had to comment on this line as well. As if posting sex offenders information on line has not enabled crimes against them. So with this logic the states should be held accountable for crimes committed against someone who's information has been given out. Makes sense to me. So when will the states stand up and face the music for what they have done? they never will and will continue down this road. I hope everyone with a gun enjoys being on a list. they should have to report the location of each and every gun they own. If they move they need to report with in ten days. Each Gun should have a ballistic test run on it and kept on file. Just like DNA on people. that way law enforcement can tell what gun was used in a crime and then go pick up the owner. Hey we want to protect everyone from everyone. So with a little cooperation we can do this. Then we can charge a fee each year for this. Shouldn't be to much really to protect everyone. On top of this we can charge someone for failure to report. That should weed out the criminals with guns as we can turn them into one for not reporting. Of course once you have ever owned a gun you must report every year for life just to be sure you haven't gotten one in the mean time. Once a gun owner always a gun owner. Also using the same logic that the States and the Federal government use. If one gun owner kills a child then all gun owners are guilty and should be punished. Just to be safe. Hey if I had only known he had a gun I could have stopped this. Or if i had only known he was nuts? Well you get the idea.

ltm said...

How does it feel to be put on a list and posted for everyone to read. It is not a crime to own or have a registered gun. Now you know what the original intent was for registering your firearm. Journal news needs to be sued big time.

deathklok said...

I like your thinking here... I'd like to expand this rationale by adding residency restrictions. It would clearly be reckless to let this threat to children reside within 2000 ft. of schools, parks, bus stops, and daycare facilities.


We're not talking about punitive measures; just regulatory measures. They should have thought about these retroactive measures before they bought a gun.


If it saves one child.....

ltm said...

In Oklahoma open carry is legal. I think there are other states with open carry, as well. Welcome back the Nazibama. John McCain (probably a member of the IRA) and Joe Lieberman (you think with a name like Lieberman he would back off) among the few have to love this! They love spying on US Citizens. Isn't life in the US great! I want a list of all the Nazi's and KKK party members. Well, we all know where Congress hangs. I am wondering if we can read all the Congresspersons email, personal and political, and all their home addresses and phone numbers. Maybe it is time for our government to go to there underground bunkers? Like the movie Marathon Man, "Is it safe"

whowrotewhat said...

Congratulations to the newspaper for exercising the public's right to know. If a gun owner has nothing to hide, what is his or her problem?
After all, as the NRA claims, it is not the gun that is the problem, it is the crazy guy pulling the trigger.
If someone in my neighborhood has a mental health issue, or has a restraining order issue by a court, and has a gun permit, I now feel safer because the public record has been made public. Id the sex registries are protecting us from potential sex offenders, a national gun registries is an absolute necessity to protect us from potential murderers.

ltm said...

What Congresswoman Feinstein proposes is far beyond knowing where the guns are but also to fingerprint, retina scan, DNA, semi autos that hold no more than 7 or 8 rounds, a gun magazine that holds only 7 or 8 rounds, a list of hand guns and long guns you cannot own, a limit of ammo you can buy per month and so on. This is completely contrary to our 2nd amendment. Her legislation does not change our constitution it simply legislates against the second amendment which is illegal. Isn't Feinstein a Jewish name? Let's get her a star for her coat, put her in a cattle car and ship her off to a prison camp. This is basically what will happen when we no longer have guns. With the good comes the bad. This is much like the Adam Walsh Act, Wetterling and all the other laws circumventing our rights and freedoms.