Friday, June 29, 2007

Bible Verses?



Many people who are pushing for sex offender laws, like Mark Lunsford, etc, are always quoting the following from the bible (From the King James Version):
Matthew {18:6} But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark {9:42} And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Luke {17:2} It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Offend means "cause to sin".

So basically the above would look like this, if offend was replaced:
Matthew {18:6} But whoso shall cause to sin one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark {9:42} And whosoever shall cause to sin one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Luke {17:2} It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should cause to sin one of these little ones.
And if you read the New International Version:
Matthew {18:6} But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Mark {9:42} And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

Luke {17:2} It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.


8 comments :

Mike said...

I believe by "little ones", Jesus was talking about man in general who becomes humble like a child, humble in order to learn the ways of forgiveness and entry into the Kingdom of Heaven. (as evidenced in Matthew 18:4)

I am far from an expert in this subject but that's my interpretation.

Anonymous said...

remember-
ALL YOUR PAST FUTURE PRESENT wrong doing is ALREADY hung on that cross.
There is nothing that will keep the love of God away from YOU. Roman 8:3838 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. That also inculds murder, sex offender and whoever look and believe on the Son of GOD.
nk_rso

whatsthis said...

As most people like Lunsford he will take a part of Matthew that will fit him well what about the strat of Matthew:
Matthew Chapter 18
Christ teaches humility, to beware of scandal, and to flee the occasions of sin: to denounce to the church incorrigible sinners, and to look upon such as refuse to hear the church as heathens. He promises to his disciples the power of binding and loosing: and that he will be in the midst of their assemblies. No forgiveness for them that will not forgive. One must read all and not just extract what they want to hear and or read. All of us have here so many tell "AN EYE FOR AN EYE" but that is not what was said. The contueing part of that is "BUT VERLY VERLY I SAY UNTO YOU IT IS BETTER TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. So when the HOPO's get the Bible streight then they have a right to quote. Not to use it as to benfit them only.

Reallyconfuzzled said...

Anyone who has been here a while knows I never push my religious
beliefs on anyone so please don't take offense this time... This is
my opinion as to the answers for the question asked. (I am only
going to talk about the book of Matthiew, the other books mean the
same)

People like Lunsford who quote Bible verses out of context really
annoy me. I am no theology expert but I am a Born Again Penticostal
Christian who believes every word of the Bible is the inspired word
of God. The first thing to understand about the Bible, especially
the New Testement and the Teachings of Jesus are they are not
necessairly to be taken "literally." Jesus spoke in parables for a
reason, not to confuse, but so the meanings could withstand the test
of time and cultural changes.

To put this verse back into context you have to read and understand
at least the whole chapter if not the whole book. This whole section
of the bible is about "RELATIONSHIPS IN THE KINGDOM"

Here Jesus begins the fourth discourse in Matthew, addressing
relationships in the church, the community of the kingdom (18:1-35).
Relations with the state (17:24-27), with one's spouse (19:1-9) and
with children (19:13-16) surround this section. Yet Jesus' teaching
on relationships here especially addresses relationships among
disciples. As God's community, they are to watch out for one
another, expressing patience toward the spiritually young as well as
seeking to restore the straying, gently disciplining the erring and
forgiving the repentant.

Jesus' teachings on how to deal with children are in chapter 19
starting with verse 13. This chapter, Matthiew 18 is about THE
COMMUNITY OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD - or in other words the church (not
the physical buildings but the people who are the believers. A true
church is people, not buildings)When Jesus is talking about "little
children" he is talking about newly converted believers.

Here is the verse IN CONTEXT:

"the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven?"
He called a little child and had him stand among them. And he
said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like
little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest
in the kingdom of heaven.
"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes
me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me
to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung
around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

It does not take a 30 year theology expert to figure out the "little
children" are new believers and he is warning not to cause new (and
usually weaker in the faith) believers to sin.

So if I were a new Christian who was forced to endure all the
hardships caused by Lunsford and it caused me to sin Lunsford would
be the one wearing the millstone.

Your conclusion "So this basically means to lead a child away from
Jesus." is basically correct if you keep in mind the "child" is not
a child as we know it but a Child of God, which is a believer in
Jesus - Which could be anyone of any physical age.

As for a response... I was thinking of a press release titled "Mark
Lunsford discraces the word of God"

How about
"Matthew 7:1-2 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the
same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
you use, it will be measured to you.

LJ said...

Thank you Reallyconfuzzled for offering the wonderful passage from Matthew at the end of your comment. I believe this applies to John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, Mark Foley, and EVERY MEMBER of congress.

Jason Sanders said...

Yes, I agree! I know some one very close to me who has repented and baptized in Jesus Name. And another who is also very close to me and is coming to church with me. I am praying that he also repent and be baptized in Jesus Name. I am the victim and has repented of my own sins and baptized in Jesus Name. Jesus lives!

Jason Sanders said...

Does anyone ever continue reading? Jesus goes on Matthew that you should witness your faults against one another in private. Then take two witnesses. Each time allowing redemption. Then if there is no change the offender, of any kind, is a heathen and rejected. The similar passage in Mark says that all sin, even leading children astray is forgivable with true conversion of the sinner; but, it doesn't read: forgive everything, forever, and always creating a dilemma amongst yourselves. Forgive, allow change, but if there is no change then, repeatedly in the Gospel, Jesus says to excommunicate them after repeated attempts to change the persons sinful ways.

Jason Sanders said...

Ok for all you people that want examples of God's power in your life and for those sex offenders that are listening to this Mark Lunsford or this Adam Wash forget all that, they have their own burden to bare.
The bible talks about the spirit, everybody has a soul and everybody has a spirit that Comes to God; Now we all need God in our life's plain and simple whether your a sex offender or not.. Now when Jesus was giving the sermon on the mount, he taught principles to live by he also gave examples when he called children over to him. We should not offend or hurt children and he also said that it was better if we drowned in the sea. That was an example that he used. (Ok are we clear on that note.)
Abraham asked God to save Sodom & Gomorrah if there was found even 5 that were worthy. Jesus cast out demon's in people. so people anyone can be saved if you repent of your sins and ask. The woman caught in adultery is a great example of Jesus's love for the one having sexual immoralities with a man. These Guys' like Lunsford and Walsh are full of hot air so one needs to forgive them of there error. Don't you know if your with God than who can be against you.